An Immanent God Meets Us in Our Pain: Science Mike & ‘Mystic’ Mike Mix it Up!

A few days ago, before the sold-out Evolving Faith Conference kicked off at Montreat, ‘Science’ Mike McHargue and I were able to grab an hour together to talk about some of our most vulnerable experiences with God, and how these encounters have impacted our approaches to life.

We discuss the potent idea of panentheism – God as all-in-all – and why I’m at home with the ‘en’ (transcendent) part of this conjunction, and why he’s more comfortable with the ‘pan’ of ubiquitous immanence. This video was created for members of our Cosmic Campfire pop-up book club, but the conversation was so good we decided to make it available for you, here. Check it out!

Books Mentioned in this Dialogue

Since that Mike and this Mike (me) are big nerds, we talk about several books in our conversation. They include:

Kindling New Questions 

This was part of week zero for The Cosmic Campfire Pop-Up Book Club, Mike’s and my six-week online community with our good buddy Tripp Fuller of Homebrewed Christianity. You’re invited! We’re featuring the autobiographical contemplative and cosmological reflections of Matthew Fox, Marjorie Suchocki, Richard Rohr, Cynthia Bourgeault, John Cobb, Ilia Delio, Deepak Chopra, Rabbi Bradley Shavit Artson, Loriliai Biernacki, Rupert Sheldrake and others. (We’re interviewing several of these contributors live, to boot!) It’s not too late to warm yourself by the fire – you can join us on a pay-what-you-can-afford (including free) basis at

You also have a few days left to enter our Cosmic Campfire Book Giveaway, where you can win copies of the book we feature in this pop-up book club, How I Found GOD in Everyone and Everywhere. The grand prize winner wins this + 11 other amazing interfaith, contemplative, science-and-spirituality tomes. If you haven’t yet, enter here! If you’ve already entered, there are 11 other ways you can have more entries.

We’ll be kicking off this week with reflections from biologist Rupert Sheldrake and biomedical scientist turned Franciscan and educator Ilia DelioI’ll see you by the campfire!

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2 Responses to An Immanent God Meets Us in Our Pain: Science Mike & ‘Mystic’ Mike Mix it Up!

  1. John Bender October 29, 2018 at 11:31 am #

    First, I am about twice the age of you, Mike & Mike. I am familiar or somewhat familiar with the writings of about 5 of the book’s participants and I have also read The Divine Dance. I expected your presentation to be more structured and less rambling. Perhaps, I expected it to be more in tune with the chapters in the book. I can’t say that I gleaned much from your joint conservation.

    I am catholic and found a transformation in faith through the readings of the 5 people I’m familiar with especially Fr. Richard Rohr and Ilia Delio. The well intentioned control restraints of religions have left me between what was drilled into me as a catholic and the view of the Cosmic Christ. One does tend to see everything in the light of his experiences and the associated guilt that accompanies them. Mainstay religions do not seem to be progressing in their view of God. Rather, the young generation of pastors (for want of a better word) seem to be regressing into what I call medieval theology that tends to put constraints on God and faith. I leave my comments at that.

  2. Teresa M Murphy October 29, 2018 at 11:47 am #

    I loved this hearty (and brainy) dialogue!

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